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The threat of perjury with him? >> i think democrats see this as an attempt again toi deflect as well as kind of minimize the political and legal trouble the president is in. i find it hard to believe politically or legally that the president is ever going to sit down with mueller's team unless he is literally forced. to i just don't see the legal advantage. i don't see the political advantage for them. and i think the question for democrats is, you know, how do we make that clear to the american people, that this is actually something significant arc factor they should consider when they are ...

So, we have to be bold and clear about what is going on. >> cher michael, i understand you say it includes fair. >> it's not semantics. >> this administration regularly violates the law. >> next subject. there is a new quinnipiac poll that showed 41% of voters name trump worst of 13 presidents who have held office since the end of world war ii. what's your reaction, paris? >> listen, also in that poll it showed that he was the top five, i believe, in those that are -- that have done a great job as president or one of the best presidents. so, all i see is opportunity to go up. all i see is oppo...