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Voters to change the law through the initiative process, especially in new england. as people look around and see the tax revenue collected, as they see police being able to focus on real crime, you'll see that shift. not just in the u.s., but also outside the u.s. that's going to be replicated in other countries as well. >> so vanita, there are two issues here. there is the push for marijuana legalization, which is perceived quite well in public opinion and politically. there is the fact of our war on drugs and mass incarceration. and there is some overlap. do you see a nexus between those tw...

Not just in the u.s., but also outside the u.s. that's going to be replicated in other countries as well. >> so vanita, there are two issues here. there is the push for marijuana legalization, which is perceived quite well in public opinion and politically. there is the fact of our war on drugs and mass incarceration. and there is some overlap. do you see a nexus between those two? >> absolutely. i think what's undercovered by the media, what's happening in colorado and washington are actually racial justice victories as well. over 50% of drug arrests in 2010 were for marijuana-related offense...

As people look around and see the tax revenue collected, as they see police being able to focus on real crime, you'll see that shift. not just in the u.s., but also outside the u.s. that's going to be replicated in other countries as well. >> so vanita, there are two issues here. there is the push for marijuana legalization, which is perceived quite well in public opinion and politically. there is the fact of our war on drugs and mass incarceration. and there is some overlap. do you see a nexus between those two? >> absolutely. i think what's undercovered by the media, what's happening in colo...

Contemporary society we are supposed to empathize with everyone. so it's actually our fault if we don't forgive the monster. what's wrong with us? >> i think, look, i think there is a fine line between addiction and things we should forgive and things that we should take into account. i don't know that we should forgot, greg. and i don't know that it becomes the be-all, tell-all excuse for bad behavior. i think that if you're dealing in the case of aerial castro, you're dealing with one situation that maybe you don't get the death penalty. . >> we take part in that. >> how do you distinguish b...

Contemporary society we are supposed to empathize with everyone. so it's actually our fault if we don't forgive the monster. what's wrong with us? >> i think, look, i think there is a fine line between addiction and things we should forgive and things that we should take into account. i don't know that we should forgot, greg. and i don't know that it becomes the be-all, tell-all excuse for bad behavior. i think that if you're dealing in the case of aerial castro, you're dealing with one situation that maybe you don't get the death penalty. . >> we take part in that. >> how do you distinguish b...