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Information survey and it went to social solutions internation. it says they are a research firm dedicated to the change of underserved populations. what does that mean? >> there are businesses that have thes this model of creating a need from government groups. various tiger groups that get a slice of the pie when the grants go out. and my colleague is reporting that one thing people are concerned with is they might go from interviewing editors and demanding to know what goes in their decisions to using the same survey and techniques to do bean counting for identity politics in order to gener...

Quite a bit. so it did get pushed eventually to the forefront. but, you are right, it did take a while. and you you know, it says something that it took this attack on the first amendment for the press to get upset. we think about what happened with the irs scandal and targeting conservative groups and questions about government sort of meddling in freedom association it. it took a year and a half for them. when the press gits gets hit of course you are going to respond. they haven't responded as loudly. i don't know why they haven't. >> katelyn this is about racial bean counting. the underlyi...

Something like a quota or going through and auditing and doing the numbers is going to force you to be more energetic and inventive and innovative and any outside of your comfort zone when thinking about staffing. >> it's like the rooney rule. >> great idea. >> explain the rooney rule. >> you didn't have african-americans rising to the level of coaching in the back end particularly in professional football and baseball and professional sports leagues there were no african-americans in the back office. >> and it was -- incredibly embarrassing optically where you have tons of african-american at...

That this is a president who wants it to keep them bare foot and barren. >> bill: for the record i don't believe the president is a sexist: joining us from washington radio talk show star laura ingraham. and you say? >> bill, here is what is funny about all of this. the president has made a big deal, big splash back in 2004 saying we are not white or black america, red or blue where the united states of america. that was very refreshing. i think when people first heard him give that speech. it was a sense of inclusiveness and let's get beyond the america. criticism of not having women and the ...

On your column -- >> thank you very much. copy desk. >> the headline was? >> binders full of women. >> beaninders full of women. what is going on here? that is the question that a lot of people are asking. >> it doesn't look so attractive. no disrespect to the looks of it. men involved. i am not a fan of bean counting and counting up numbers of women and numbers of minorities, but it is striking and it is disconcerting and it is disappointing to see in the big four jobs no female. now, you might say, okay, the white guys need a chance to be secretary of state. they haven't -- there hasn't been...