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Anybody can watch at how this is developing. looking down at south carolina, you can see romney pick up speed, in the high 30s now. but even in the high 30s, there's three guys, santorum, gingrich, and perry, whose total vote is way over the other guys. there's still all of that wealth of conservative votes. and i guess the question is, at what point is that magic moment in this fight where the conservatives say, we're losing this because we're divided? >> i think that point comes after new hampshire. i think this field is set for tuesday. at that point, i think there will be an assessment. we...

In south carolina, because the two of them together right now are even with romney, their vote shares in south carolina. >> and if you through in perry, they're ahead. more of the interview with gingrich. here he is, let's listen to his somewhat optimistic view of things. let's listen to newt. jimmy carter's another one where he ran against four liberals back in 1976 and won the nomination, but was never really the hero of the party. same thing. and romney, look, he's running against a number of conservatives, yourself, santorum, rick perry, different kind of conservatives. he's splitting the ...

You call him now your junior partner. okay, well, that's a knock. you have to hit him a little. >> i was speaker -- >> how are you going to be the alternative to romney unless you check him out of the fight wm. >> i think it will happen by attrition? i think people are going to look and make a judgment over the next few months. maybe i won't be the judgment. my hunch sis i will be. we have a national campaign, we're organized to compete in a lot more places. i wasn't right to knock rick, he's a good guy. i was the speaker of the house. she was a senator who wasn't in leadership at that point. ...

Position? how do you do it if you're him, between here and south carolina? >> he's got to beat gingrich. he's got to get gingrich out of there somehow. >> how do you do it in terms of audience and free media that we're talk about. >> i don't know how he does it at this point. >> give him some help. throw him a line. >> i think he has to have a very concise message, he has to talk about his grandfather, he has to mention that he happens to be a roman catholic in a state with a lot of them, and he has to talk about manufacturing policy in a state where a lot of manufacturing jobs have been lost....

Positions on so many things so fast on a dime. >> we're going to be endlessly talking about newt, what he said yesterday, he took that back. what he said last year, it's going to be about the i had yoe sin krascys of a candidate. david winston, former adviser to john boehner is now officially as of yesterday a senior strategist with the gingrich campaign and vin weber a special adviser to the romney campaign and fred served as finance chair to the mccain palin campaign and join us now. first of all, why newt and are you a leading indicator of where the speaker was leaning because he was praisi...