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>> the subsidies for oil and natural gas and coal are trivial compared to wind and solar. >> comes down to what your definition is, okay. >> it does? >> not to be silly. it does. look at the wars that we have been fight. that is a trillion dollars of a subsidy. i don't think anybody thinks that we went into those wars for any reason other than energy. >> so we fought in iraq for oil? >> so which subsidies are subsidies? >> i need to take that on. i heard that claim before. it is ridiculous on its face. the best way to get to where you say you want to be which is that we have low cost efficient...

Trivial compared to wind and solar. >> comes down to what your definition is, okay. >> it does? >> not to be silly. it does. look at the wars that we have been fight. that is a trillion dollars of a subsidy. i don't think anybody thinks that we went into those wars for any reason other than energy. >> so we fought in iraq for oil? >> so which subsidies are subsidies? >> i need to take that on. i heard that claim before. it is ridiculous on its face. the best way to get to where you say you want to be which is that we have low cost efficient energy produced here in north america is to get the g...