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Is the key vendor that really defined the nra's image for 30 years. they are in a war over who knew what, whose financial decision making might have been corrupt or illegal. who was in charge and really now two different state ag's are investigating what the truth is. >> congressman, what's striking to me is that the wayne lapierre, the person at the center of the battle, that carol's been reporting about has made a few calls to the president, and with a few calls has gotten him to back off. legislation which by the way is overwhelmingly popular in poll after poll after poll, if it came up, i ...

What do you attribute that too, how do you understand the politics as a moment when the institutional nra is so bee set by scandal and so weak? >> the president is never going to abandon the nra, chris. and so we have to act accordingly, and when the white house and when the senate. but we gave the nra the benefit of the doubt for too long, which is they had a perverse interpretation of the second amendment in he reality, carol's reporting has shown, it's worse, it's greed and gristing and perhaps the red flag if you will on this, should have been that the russians were funning the nra and the...