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It's only in authoritarian states and totalitarian states that they try to punish our thoughts. so you can't criminalise someone for having misogynistic attitudes towards women. what you can do is criminalise the behaviours and the verbal assault and so on that comes from that belief system, because misogyny is a belief system. now, let's be very clear, not all men, you know, abuse women. they don't. in fact, you know, we all know good men. i'm sure you're one of them, stephen. but the problem about it is that it's hard to find a woman who hasn't had a bad experience with men behaving inapprop...

And we don't criminalise that. it's only in authoritarian states and totalitarian states that they try to punish our thoughts. so you can't criminalise someone for having misogynistic attitudes towards women. what you can do is criminalise the behaviours and the verbal assault and so on that comes from that belief system, because misogyny is a belief system. now, let's be very clear, not all men, you know, abuse women. they don't. in fact, you know, we all know good men. i'm sure you're one of them, stephen. but the problem about it is that it's hard to find a woman who hasn't had a bad experi...

States and totalitarian states that they try to punish our thoughts. so you can't criminalise someone for having misogynistic attitudes towards women. what you can do is criminalise the behaviours and the verbal assault and so on that comes from that belief system, because misogyny is a belief system. now, let's be very clear, not all men, you know, abuse women. they don't. in fact, you know, we all know good men. i'm sure you're one of them, stephen. but the problem about it is that it's hard to find a woman who hasn't had a bad experience with men behaving inappropriately. so, let's go back ...

She was not sure what the line would be to call for ellison to resign from party leadership. i think it's going to depend on what the facts show. juan, the dnc says an investigation is underway. >> he takes these charges very seriously and he's looking into it. and then you have sort of the movement liberals, i would say, shannon, people like now the national organization for women, ultraviolet. these groups have called on him to resign, in other words, get out. and then hillary clinton's campaign manager said he doesn't think any democrat should be campaigning with ellison. so all that is sai...

To stop a very successful campaign, and that's what they're doing. i've never known this woman or anything -- >> all right. so just a complete denial. he's never met her at all. >> didn't she contemporaneously tell somebody else about this at the time? what would her motivation be? i don't understand. why would somebody tell somebody about a person who at the time was not someone anyone was trying to take down in an election, right? it doesn't really make sense that somebody would have told someone in realtime that this happened and then later -- i don't know. i'm not really following it. but,...