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And so i always thought it was very odd that in the break—up of the soviet union, the relationship with ukraine accepted the presence of the us huge naval base there, but didn't do anything about the question of the ukrainian control, if you like, of crimea. but i guess the reason i raise it is because it seems to me there's a danger. it looks as if you, because you're interested in the history, you're always looking for an explanation for russian behaviour. you're always looking for an explanation that maybe the west got it wrong. you, if you like, give them the benefit of the doubt. wherea...

Actually, and human rights in russia and the behaviour notjust recently, but over a very long period. and you know what, for all that's been said about me, i never sadly ever visited the soviet union. the idea that some people would say i'm some kind of apologist for putin, ijust draw the parallel when tony blair was entertaining vladimir putin to a night at the opera, there were a number of us who were actually supporting the chechen people, including tony benn and me. do you think of yourself as a patriot? or is it a word that you're uncomfortable with as an internationalist? yeah, i'm a pat...