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Punishment exceeds the benefit of getting something for nothing. but the author of "the honest truth about dishonesty, how we lie to everyone,ially ourselves -- says that's not the reason. it is not about getting away with it? >> no. getting away with it is a small part of it. the biggest effect is from the fact that we have two motivations. on the one hand, we want to view ourselves as honest, wonderful, caring people. on the other hand, we want to benefit from dishonesty. so we try to balance the two forces. how could you do both? you are honest or you cheat? >> right. >> as long as you chea...

Of getting something for nothing. but the author of "the honest truth about dishonesty, how we lie to everyone, especially ourselves -- says that's not the reason. it is not about getting away with it? >> no. getting away with it is a small part of it. the biggest effect is from the fact that we have two motivations. on the one hand, we want to view ourselves as honest, wonderful, caring people. on the other hand, we want to benefit from dishonesty. so we try to balance the two forces. how could you do both? you are honest or you cheat? >> right. >> as long as you cheat just a little bit, we c...

Punishment exceeds the benefit of getting something for nothing. but the author of "the honest truth about dishonesty, how we lie to everyone, especially ourselves -- says that's not the reason. it is not about getting away with it? >> no. getting away with it is a small part of it. the biggest effect is from the fact that we have two motivations. on the one hand, we want to view ourselves as honest, wonderful, caring people. on the other hand, we want to benefit from dishonesty. so we try to balance the two forces. how could you do both? you are honest or you cheat? >> right. >> as long as yo...