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In fact, i think that the level of disgust that exists towards the media within the coalition of the right would be just as strong, he just leans into it a lot more and makes the arguments a lot more personal because these are relationships with journalists many of whom he's known in the new york media market for years, and that makes it a more personal activity. howard: just briefly, kristina, "the new york times" have trouble being perceived as fair when its publisher has issued this scathing indictment of president trump? >> no matter what i say, people are going to say it's not fair, and t...

Was interesting. it's all about the elite es in the swamp. were you surprised that your former boss was so prominently featured in the speech? >> not one bit. howard: you expected the crooked hillary? >> it was one step away from him bringing a cardboard cutout. [laughter] i think you put something in the water, because i agree with ben again -- [laughter] apparently, you're a good influence. donald trump just absolutely loves this, and this is what we're going to hear every day for the next 15 months the same we've heard every day for the last 18 months and the year before that. howard: as i ...

It seems like there's a lot of pressure on you to do pretty much what you're told. >> there are a lot of spouses men and women who take a pass and say, dear, you go out and do that, i'm going to minimize my roam and -- i see what you're saying, i don't think she had to do this interview. >> that's what i'm saying. some spouses will just say, i'm not going out there. >> that's a good point opinion penn, you did two seasons on celebrity apprentice. recently some of the cast and crew spoke out about his inappropriate behavior on the show. what was your experience with him on the show? >> once ben...