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Interview mark o'mara gave and he accuses your co-counsel ben crump of manipulating facts, making up stories, victimizing george zimmerman in a smear campaign, publicity campaign and said without his actions, zimmerman would have never been charged. how do you respond? >> let's take our time and go through it because i think it's very important. i remember when ben first came back to the firm. this guy killed trayvon martin and the sanford police department were getting ready to close the investigation, and they indicated that they were not going to arrest this guy, and we believed whole heart...

Ben is going to say right now. ben is going to say -- ben is going to say wait a minute. those are talking points. they do sound like talking points. >> it's facts. >> don, the border is so secure that we've only let, like, 11 or 12 or 13 or 14 million people in that we couldn't catch. we're doing a great job with the border. >> that has happened in the last 30 years. that has happened in the last 30 years, ben, you're right. that's why we have to fix the broken immigration system. >> hang on. both of you stop, stop, stop. i'll get to you, maria. ben first. she says we have to fix the broken i...