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Care about patients and so i'm hoping to reach out and encourage him to promote more evidence based. >> so did you ever try reach out to dr. oz and say, you have the trust of a lot of people before starting a campaign to undermine his credibility? >> dr. oz has -- i was very far from the first person to criticize him and he has a history of not responding to very reasonable criticisms that he is promoting unproven medical treatments so i didn't think he would respond to me. >> dr. cats go ahead. >> first of all, as ben said he's widely trusted. so for the most part trust is earned. so if more ...

Think they like having that on them. >> i think dash board cameras, that principal ben fishiary of a police -- because, believe it or not, people makeup stories and don't understand the authority of the police and when they see themselves on cameras, looks a little different than theal aigations they're making. and it changes thebehavior not just of the police which i think is the thought, the big change is the behavior of the public because it tends to tone them down much the same as it is going to change the behavior of a police officer going they have a camera on them. so everybody benefits...