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The real issues of the day are for them. let's listen to that. >> black lives of course matter, and i spent 50 years of my life fighting for civil rights and dignity, but if you don't want me to be here, that's okay. >> and ben, martin o'malley also stumbled in it, say being black lives matter, all lives matter, seeming to that audience to be dismissing, somewhat, of the issue of black lives matter. >> you know, i think this moment was an education for both of these candidates. and it's something, frankly, that all candidates running for office at all levels should be paying attention to. this...

Be "excuses" because she clearly does not care. from what difference does it make to the responses she just made just now. she is covering for herself, because it's all political. she only cares about herself. and this is what we are seeing up close and personal. and i find it very outrageous and disturbing. >> ben, denine is making some strong statements there about hillary clinton. but it doesn't matter -- it is -- it does conjure up that -- what difference does it make. what do you say of this. >> well, first of all, thanks so much for having me on, and denine, great to be on with you. you ...

Of course, there are competing interests and values. i mean, one of our values is, we bring everybody home off the battlefield the best we can. it doesn't matter how they ended up in a prisoner of war situation. >> it doesn't matter? >> it does not matter. we bring our people home. >> fox news contributor and director of outreach for freedom works. and ben wickler is senior strategist for moveon.org and radio host on the good fight. thank you for joining us this afternoon. let's get right to it. denine, it doesn't matter? sounds like what difference does it make. what do you make of hillary cl...

Ben, i see you shaking your head. go ahead and respond quickly. and i'll get to my next question which is a very important question. >> sure. i have several family members in the military and it is a fundamental commitment we make to them, if they are captured behind enemy lines, we will do what it takes to bring them home. that is a commitment to our men and women in uniform. and it's one we should not break. these are taliban prisoners of war, we are bringing this war to an end. and this is an exchange of prisoners of war to bring them home. look, we don't know exactly the specifics of what ...

Senior military officials advised president obama not to make this trade. so having said that, ben, as you look forward, why would the president, endanger more americans with the release of these five taliban members for someone who left the battlefield and put his own troops at risk, who search for him? >> the first thing i'd say is, we don't outsource disciplining united states military forces to the taliban. we bring people home and then we investigate what they have done or might have done and bring appropriate military justice. that's our job. the other job we have is bringing people home...