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Take us back to that moment. >> yeah. it happened so fast. we were going northbound from d.c. to new york. i was in what's called the cafe car. there are two cars called cafe cars. there's bench seating and i was on the western side of the train going north. and senator tom harper was on my left in the other bench seat. and he had just gotten off at the stop at 30th in philadelphia. some people got on, some got off. the next stop was the trenton stop which is my stop. and next thing you know, we were going about 60, 70 miles an hour, i would say, and it seemed like a regular ride. but next thi...

And bench seating. he got off in wilmington and we're going and -- and all of a sudden you just felt -- in trenton, felt horrible vibrations and the brakes and then the car, the rail car shifted to the left first and then violently over to the right and derailed and flipped over and that's when everyone that was on my side the left side of the car, basically fell to the other side. >> patrick, were you going particularly fast? can you assess what the speed was because we know there was a curve there. >> yeah. listen, it felt like, you know i didn't feel like they were going excessive. i was wo...