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So i actually think that democrats have been very willing to talk about those kinds of reforms and those are reforms that also drive more money into the system. >> i would say -- i would also say -- it's funny because we're saying we are not going to get shanghaied by this, not get drawn in to this deficit conversation and somehow i think i've led the charge of us getting drawn into a conversation about the deficit. because independent of earned benefit programs, the president's also talking about investment in infrastructure, in education, and these parts of the conversation we haven't had th...

Participated in that conversation enough. because the put has put a plan forward for reforming earned benefit programs like medicare and social security on whitehouse.gov. then the complaint is he's not done enough. well, the republicans can barely agree on whether they want the government to keep functioning in september and october. it is really hard to bargain with people when there's no consensus and no one to bargain with. >> but that's not the view of the progressive caucus and that's not the view of democrats running for re-election for the most part. >> well -- okay. maya, take the flo...

Dollar? and that will determine how other cities will renegotiate their pension plans. >> that is exactly right. bill: do i have it right? >> i i you nailed it. and i would add this. one of the things that has to happen in major cities around the country they have to move away from what are called defined benefit programs that define what the benefit will be to more like 401(k) plans where you actually own them. traditionally a lot of unions said we don't want the defined contribution plans because we want, you know, 100% guaranteed benefits that are promised by defined benefit programs. guess...

Immigration because they worry about the costs of letting people with low incomes come in because they want a big government that has a fair amount of redistributive stuff. >> isn't that premised on the idea that these 11 million people are going to all come in and immediately sign up for the -- the heritage foundation studies say these are just a bunch of deadbeats -- >> the cbo analysis of the senate bill says it helps the economy. raising billions of dollars. >> it isn't just about the dull, this is about middle class entitlements, people who collect medicare and social security. >> they pa...

The initial polling suggests the public remains broadly supportive of this, but that doesn't mean people don't want to have the depay the. >> in a sense, there is an even broader debate in there about the whole war on trough. is it time, 12 years after the attacks of 9/11, to look at what the war on terror is costing us both financially and i think national security has become the third rail of american politics. you can never scale it back again. in terms of our freedoms. and somebody needs to sit there and do the cost benefit analysis on this. that's a really hard conversation to have becaus...