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Their pension, 15% contributiona to health care which is pretty much the standard for people ini the private sector, right? >> it's actually a much better deal than what people in the private sector get. in ohio the average is about 31% of payments for people in the private sector towards their health care. we don't have guaranteed lifetime pensions in the private sector like we do in government. so the benefit structure in the public sector for governmentis employees is vastly better than it is for the same private. sector employees. >> you know, you heard the governor. if this is t voted dow...

>> well, part of it is they believe that's the deal that they got over years and their story was to take less wages, they get better benefits. but if you look now, the wages are up at least on par where the private sector is and the benefits are unsustainable. one of the things i said is i'm chairing the pension reform bill. we have to bring the taxpayer expectations in line with the benefit structure or it's going to be unsustainable for the long-term. >> gregg: i want to ask you about another state. i'm sure you've been following it, wisconsin, senate democrat there is have taken off in the ...

To, while there is a negative impact no doubt for those working 12-hour days, seven days on or seven days in a row, they've all expressed a desire to stay here to see this thing through to the finish to do what's right. >> jim? >> bob is absolutely right. bob is absolutely right. one of the most overwhelming things for me is to see officers who are working these long shifts. when their shift ends they're going home or they're changing into their civilian clothes and coming back with the cops for labor or the deputies for democracy sign. it's been overwhelming and we are very fortunate. i'm ver...

On or seven days in a row, they've all expressed a desire to stay here to see this thing through to the finish to do what's right. >> jim? >> bob is absolutely right. bob is absolutely right. one of the most overwhelming things for me is to see officers who are working these long shifts. when their shift ends they're going home or they're changing into their civilian clothes and coming back with the cops for labor or the deputies for democracy sign. it's been overwhelming and we are very fortunate. i'm very fortunate to represent these men and women. >> mr. palmer, would you go so far as to sa...

Everybody seems to want a benefit structure of like sweden, but they don't want to pay for it with the resulting high tax rates that the european countries have to pay for this. that's the bankruptcy and you either have to vote the cuts or raise taxes and the committee is going to say it, they're going to have big tax cut increases and huge cuts and no one is going to want to do both. and like what happens with all the committees. >> the risk that we're going to run right now, brenda, if the democrat-- actually the entire super committee does not come to terms on this and does not think big, w...