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Out. you know, who's the leadership and where does that go. martha: yeah. it's very telling, bret, that it may have started out as an intelligence product, but it ended up being an intelligence product that even petraeus, the head of the cia, said he didn't want to use because it was so toothless by the time it got to those sunday programs. so there's a lot here, bret. we know you'll be covering it extensively tonight. thank you so much. good to talk to you this morning. all right, so be sure to tune into "special report" tonight. you'll get a lot on this. another big issue is why the video wa...

Intimidation that he blames on the president. >> so whether it's the associated press, whether it's witnesses at the state department. or whether it's using the irs to go after groups that don't agree with the obama agenda, this administration has created a culture of intimidation through the campaign and through the white house throughout the federal government. >> joining me is richard former assistant to from the clinton and tony, assistant to jack kemp. let me start with you richard as democrat, your thoughts on the culture of intimidation? >> i think -- i don't think there is a culture of...

We spoke to former commissioner mark emerson about that. >> the point here is it's totally appropriate for chairman baucus to raise that issue, but anything that the service would do in terms of looking at c4s should have been evenhanded, and it wasn't. that's the shame here. >> reporter: but even as far back as 1993 when the landmark legal foundation sued the irs, it found that audit requests from members of congress shall be shredded -- had been shredded by the irs. the irs said it couldn't find key files related to possible political manipulation of audits. all this very troubling, bill. bi...

Talking points, but this is a serious scandal and they're going to have to address it honestly and openly. >> here's newt gingrich. i do this objectively. i watch him to give me a sense of how much fire power an issue has because he is brilliant at exploiting, i use that neutrally, taking an issue and showing its full political and ideological dimension. doing this morning what i thought he could do well and he did it. >> the parallel between benghazi and the irs story is amazing. lying, lying about lying, hiding about lying and seeking to apologizing for the lying they didn't tell. this patte...

>> we now know any reference to terror, al qaeda, were removed from those talking points and it was done at a deputy's meeting just before susan rice went on television. >> would you call this a coverup? >> i call it a coverup. i would call it a coverup in the extent it was willful removal of information which was obvious. >> well, that's john mccain. now it's time for the strategists to get into this. joining many he is republican strategist john brabender and willy brown. john, the benghazi issue is important -- the republicans can win seats with in 2014, perhaps more the reputation of secre...