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Onto his self-dignity and self-worth after spending a lifetime feeling like he had to make white people comfortable, accommodate them, how they might respond to him because he's 6'2", 300 pound black man with a big afro. >> would you like to reflect on this experience? >> i feel like real friendships are about both people being on equal footing and really learning in a complicated way about who each other is. the only way you do that, you can't always have one person accommodating the other to make them comfortable. >> white people need to know if you are paying a black person to be around you...

Rates, get rid of these loopholes and carveouts. general electric last year didn't pay any corporate income tax because they took advantage of loopholes. you get rid of those, expand the economy, get more revenues, that could be the nut of a deal. jenna: and that's sounding more like tax reform. >> exactly. but we've got to do it. we can't go forward with a tax system where we're taxing our companies and workers higher than every other country is. but then these companies get these sweetheart deals that pay nothing. there's no fairness in that. jenna: interesting article, stephen. always nice ...

Might have been fine in the area of oil where i worked with him, but his behavior on syria in supporting mr. assad, his behavior in ukraine has been against everything we believe in, then i don't think he would get through to senate foreign relations or the senate. >> as you wisely point out, if the syrian government backed by russia wanted to fight isis, palmyra would not have fallen to isis. always a pleasure to talk to you. thanks for being with us, jamie reuben. we'll keep a close eye on the stock market. stocks are in record territory. just a stone's throw away from 20,000. that's where...