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Meeting at trump tower, firing of former fbi director james comey, the steele dossier. first, do you believe that? >> no, don. and neither do the american people. clearly the senate judiciary committee didn't believe it. i'm just trying to figure out if the trumps think we are stupid. if they really think the american people are not paying attention. donald trump, jr. and big don, as i like to refer to the president today, i'm pretty sure they discuss everything. and i find it hard to believe that they didn't discuss the russians having dirt on hillary clinton. this is just laughable. >> scott...

Most levels of the russian government were aware of this. probably through one of these oligarchs or one of those folks. this is not something they were just freelancing. it was not like veselnitskaya said, hey, why don't we give this a shot. give them a call, shoot them an e-mail see if we can see them. this is something the kremlin would have been aware of and watching carefully. you're not just walking into anybody's office. this is trump tower, potential future president of the united states. this is something the kremlin would have been watching carefully in my view, don. >> let's take th...

Somewhat immaterial, i think, to the political path that it would take. are there people within congress who would say, bob mueller, that guy, a bunch of democrats. there are, reminder bob mueller isn't a democrat, but whatever. would it be a majority of the republican conference and the house and senate? i don't think it would be. obviously, don, dependent on what that mueller report showed. so, this potentially closes down the legal path, potentially. >> right. >> it does nothing to the political path. >> steve, let's turn to these transcripts now, surrounding the trump tower meeting. that's...

Scott? >> are you guys still in harvard having a good time? >> harvard sadly is over for me. >> it is the most expensive phone call ever. you guys catch up. don junior said he never spoke to his father about the russia investigation, the infamous meeting at trump tower, firing of former director james comey, the steele dossier. first, do you believe that? >> no, don. and neither do the american people. clearly the senate judiciary committee didn't believe it. i'm just trying to figure out if the trumps think we are stupid. if they really think the american people are not paying attention. dona...

Would have been watching carefully. you're not just walking into anybody's office. this is trump tower. this is the potential future president of the united states. this is something the kremlin would have been watching carefully in my view, don. >> let's take the 30,000 feet view of this if you look at these transcripts, chris. with all this. does this seem like trump's team -- does it seem like the willingness to collude but they left empty-handed or they just weren't sure of how to do it? how to connect the dots? or close? >> i skimmed -- by way of context, i skimmed everyone's transcripts....