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>> well, i think he's indisputably charming. there's no question about that. and he's very articulate when he's on that stage. and it's one more manifestation of how the republicans are crashing around. but before we get too far down the road with the des moines register debate, i mean, the poll, we have to remember that going into the final weekend in '04, howard dean was the leading candidate. everybody thought that he was going to win. i was in a hotel coffee shop in 1980 when george bush 41 looked at me and said, i got the big mo. he had defeated ronald reagan. pat roberts won in iowa. the...

Chance to tell them to go do it. >> i'm the runt. i'm the baby. i'm the rookie. i'm the rookie. everybody is bringing me under their wings and saying, come on, let's go learn. you see all the, i guess you can say, back stage work, where it all goes. oftentimes we will find things, weapons or kites, and you wonder where it all went after you turn it in. well, now you get a chance to see it and how investigations work and how prisons are linked, how we can link up real fast with another prison, do you have so and so there. we just got a kite on this guy. so it's nice to see how it all works, com...

so now people are taking everything he says seriously, whether he likes it or not. as to whether you like what he's saying or not, that's entirely up to you. keeping them honest, whatever political position you happen to have, the question for herman cain or anyone wanting to be president is this, can you be a serious candidate without serious scrutiny of what you say and how you say it? here's what he said saturday about illegal immigration. >> i tell you what, when i'm in charge of the fence, we're going to have a fence, it will be 20 feet high and have barbed wire on the top, it w...

romney. so now people are taking everything he says seriously, whether he likes it or not. as to whether you like what he's saying or not, that's entirely up to you. keeping them honest, whatever political position you happen to have, the position for herman cain or anyone wanting to be president, can you be a serious candidate without serious scrutiny of what you say and how you say it? here's what he said saturday about illegal immigration. >> i tell you what, when i'm in charge of the fence, we're going to have a fence, it will be 20 feet high and have barbed wire on the top, it w...

cain or anyone wanting to be president is this, can you be a serious candidate without serious scrutiny of what you say and how you say it? here's what he said saturday about illegal immigration. >> i tell you what, when i'm in charge of the fence, we're going to have a fence, it will be 20 feet high and have barbed wire on the top, it will be electrocuted -- electrified. and there's going to be a sign on the other side that said, it will kill you. >> herman cain at a campaign stop in tennessee on saturday. sunday on "meet the press," he said, just joking. >> on immigration, you said...