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A large plan with regard to health care. but i worked for a former secretary of energy, and there are a hundred decisions every single day that the secretary handles at that level and below. he doesn't go running to the white house every single minute for every single decision. so there are things that are impacted and most conservatives are thrilled by that. people like andy puzder and betsy voss. >> they don't care if trump dumps on them every once in a while, big picture, do they? >> no, not at all. tom barrick is going to go bottom up. who is in charge of the policy? congress. >> i was stu...

You think this should be viewed as he's hiring executers for his vision, so just because -- i want to take tom price for an example. he's somebody who would like to do a lot more reform to medicare than candidate donald trump said he wanted to do. who should voters believe is in charge of medicare policy, tom price or donald trump? >> congress. you have 535 men and women who are taking a vision, which the president will form for them, and through consensus they're going to come to a conciliatory pattern, and these men and women in the cabinet are going to execute. and they're going to execute ...

Pick places here and there. but he does not view himself as the guy who is the cfo of brand usa. we heard that. that's why paul ryan was able to say, i'm for him under the theory. this guy wants to go out and sell america, we're making america great again, do some high-profile appearances, but he doesn't necessarily want to be the guy in the weeds so you can move a certain agenda that he broadly stamps and puts his name on. i think that's the hope of many within the republican establishment. katie used the word mercurial. maybe today. >> don't focus on the idealogy of some of the these picture...

Only legislative issue people are going to have to make hard decisions on. let me give a context to the challenge and problem that republicans have. and in most exchanges, conflicts, there are different grades of exchanges. there are skirmishes, from there is battles and wars. the war is the conservatives want to win is to change the policies of the obama administration. and the battle that's crucial in order to do that is that the republicans have to win the and hold the majorities in the senate and the house in 16. and what we're looking at are squirmishes in legislature. it's bad -- it's no...

Show host tammy bruce. first to you, tammy, are you ready to see the showdown with donald trump or take the high road and say you want to hear the substance and the policy. >> there has to be both because we know the democrats won't be a light touch with whoever the nominee is this is a proving ground. if you can't handle donald trump you are not going to be able to handle hillary or putin or anyone else. this is great for whoever the nominee is because we are going to see if they are going to be able to handle it. ben carson needs to be able to answer these questions. of course, he is high in...