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Other people's habits. >> there are two sides. one interesting thing is nobody is standing up for the bad -- the people of bad morals, right? >> right. >> people who want to drink in as powerful as ways as the moralist, the dries. there are, of course, brewer soeshgs who are trying to make a case for their own industry. it's clearly self-interested case. >> that's the problem when you have moral authority on one side saying, let's improve society, let's get rid of the evil drink, the evil saloons and you're saying, i kind of like to take a drink now and then. this is my business. don't take it...

On pbs. it's so great to have you. >> it's my pleasure. thanks for having me. >> you know from our off-line relationship that i'm obsessed with kerry nation. and prohibition, the idea there could be a successful political movement around their supposed superioralty and everybody else having bad morality. how do you you win a majority fight when that's your basic message? >> you start off with a real social problem, which is drunkenness, alcoholism we call it today, and we were drinking five, six times more then than now. people would drink it for breakfast like john adams and it was a big soci...

That. i mean, i think it was always prohibition for somebody else. as our film begins with this great quote from mark twain, nothing so needs reforming as other people's habits. >> there are two sides. one interesting thing is nobody is standing up for the bad -- the people of bad morals, right? >> right. >> people who want to drink in as powerful as ways as the moralist, the dries. there are, of course, brewer soeshgs who are trying to make a case for their own industry. it's clearly self-interested case. >> that's the problem when you have moral authority on one side saying, let's improve so...

Down, we were able to keep this country out of great depression. but not out of the massive recession from which we have not yet recovered. and the way we kept ourselves out of that great depression was by rescuing wall street. which means that we do still have a financial system in this country. we do still have a banking is system. it didn't exactly fix the problem that got us there in the first place, nor did it stop the repercussions of that collapse that we barely lived through in 2008. in the big, big global picture right now is the next repercussion, the next thing about to collapse is ...

Clown casino with other people's money, when that came crashing down, we were able to keep this country out of great depression. but not out of the massive recession from which we have not yet recovered. and the way we kept ourselves out of that great depression was by rescuing wall street. which means that we do still have a financial system in this country. we do still have a banking is system. it didn't exactly fix the problem that got us there in the first place, nor did it stop the repercussions of that collapse that we barely lived through in 2008. in the big, big global picture right no...