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From common sense that led them down the roads they went down in the last few years. you're making the case that it's also part of good regulatory reform in the sense that it would make these companies less -- less driven towards risk, as a matter of their incentives. but there's sort of a philosophical question here too. and evening it's the reason that your job as captured a lot of people's imagination, more than other reformers. it didn't used to be so, in this country, that the difference between the lowest paid person at a corporation and the ceo was as big as it is now. there's never bee...

Also part of good regulatory reform in the sense that it would make these companies less -- less driven towards risk, as a matter of their incentives. but there's sort of a philosophical question here too. and i think it's the reason that your job has captured a lot of people's imagination, more than other reformers. it didn't used to be so, in this country, that the difference between the lowest paid person at a corporation and the ceo was as big as it is now. there's never been that big a gap before. is that -- is there a normative judgment to make about that? is that bad for the country? >>...