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Society suffering because of that. i'm sure that disappointed him. of course, he didn't profess, billy graham, to have the answer to the great issue that c.s. lewis described as the problem of pain. the fact that this merciful and loving god whom we worship permits these hideous atrocities to occur. he didn't have the answer to that but what he had was the message that god is there and will see you through these things. a message that i think has tremendous relevance today. and there is also this about billy graham, bill that's worth noting. for all of the power of his demeanor, he was a very ...

Understand what's going on over there, if they're not getting any information about it? >> certainly it's fair to say that if this were a republican president -- >> bill: they'd be wild! they'd be going crazy! >> this would be a huge to do about it, not only the intelligence and security failure, but the sent kept of a cover-up. that would be picked upper more aggress investly. it has fallen to fox news and other outlets to follow up on that. >> bill: cbs news did a good job on this. it always comes down to sheryl. >> she's a good reporter. but that's one phase of the story. that's the securit...

Understand what's going on over there, if they're not getting any information about it? >> certainly it's fair to say that if this were a republican president -- >> bill: they'd be wild! they'd be going crazy! >> this would be a huge to do about it, not only the intelligence and security failure, but the sent kept of a cover-up. that would be picked upper more aggress investly. it has fallen to fox news and other outlets to follow up on that. >> bill: cbs news did a good job on this. it always comes down to sheryl. >> she's a good reporter. but that's one phase of the story. that's the securit...

And partly what you are also getting, you know, is first, second, third generation, hey, don't associate us with those issues, with those latinos who don't speak english and so forth and the squabbles of the ethnic group are coming to bear. but i would not overplay that and suggest that latinos are not deeply invested in issues of immigration reform. because the stereotypes about latinos gets spread broadly and they don't get quarantined to those who are literally, quote, illegals. >> but do you know what, though, even after 1986 when there was that amnesty-like bill that -- >> signed by -- >>...

One of those fortunate things in politics, if you look at the picture properly. i'm with both sides, and you can be with both sides. you can agree that in, in fact, foreign piracy and the money they get out of america needs to be shut down and shut down for good, and it needs to be a constant vigil against them starting up in other places and at the same time, you can recognize that the innovation and the employment and the wealth that has come out of the internet far exceeds that of the motion picture association and many of these other groups combined. so what you try to find is something li...