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Round-ups of wagner. personnel, raids against wagner interests. so it's possible that that had an impact. >> do you think this is over? prigozhin just goes to belarus and all is forgiven? >> not by any stretch, jil. i think mr. prigozhin first of all is a wanted war criminal. so the countries where he can travel are very much reduced. he's no longer welcome in russia. i don't know if he plans to spend his entire life in belarus but i suspect he does not want to. when he starts traveling, or trying to attempt to travel to africa, they're going to be very few countries where he will be able to t...

But he and frankly other wagner insurgents and russian armed forces that either stayed on the sidelines or supported prigozhin, there's probably a purge that is likely to happen in the short term. >> what does the fought of russia's war in ukraine look like without prigozhin and his mercenaries? weren't they making some of th most effective gains, if you want the describe it that way, on behalf of russia? >> that's true. they were one of the more effective fighting forces. to the extent that there was any victory in bakhmut, it was largely due to efforts of wagner forces. and they demonstrated...