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Is what they are cashing in on. >> it's power co-opting the little guys. imagine all the people co-oped with the misinformation and the lies and they would come together, if you got the poor people in america, white, black and brown in america to come together because they have more in common than they have that separates them. imagine the power they have, the entire country would change. you should be done in a third party. >> i believe the binary system exacerbated all of our problems. this time has passed, it plays to all the divisions in society. >> i agree with that. >> it gives one side ...

Laws they'll empower these state legislatures to overturn the results. and that's what he wanted to happen. it didn't happen. that's not to say it's not going to happen again. so this is very methodical. it's about something much bigger than the virginia governor's race. just as georgia was about something much bigger than georgia. and really what the democrats have to do is make voting for democracy patriotic. and they're the defenders of democracy now. i don't think it's a perfect party. but they're the pro-democracy party in this country. and the other one isn't. so take your pick. i'm with...

Done through a third party. >> i believe the binary system is exacerbating all of our problems. its time has passed. it plays to all of the divisions in society. >> i agree with that. >> it gives one side an easy out when they're out of power to just oppose. yes, the right weaponizes that in the way the left doesn't want to or can't figure out how to when they're out of power. i believe you need more parties but it's going to be harder. there is no question it's good solution. you can't get term limits because the people in power does not want to cede any of it. if you can have a real labor pa...

Top progressive congressman ro khanna joins me now. it's good to have you. >> good to be back on. >> i want to talk about, you know, what you just heard from paul, what it means. but just on the existential level, the idea that your opponents, right, in a binary system, it's half, are all in on saying you guys cheated the last time, they are changing the laws in states to allow you to not cheat this time, and they are going to do everything they can to find out ways to change elections that they lose in the midterms. do you believe that your party is aware of the threat and preparing for the s...

American life, yet democrats remain mired. is it robust debate and the battle of ideas that democratic voters want or something something less than that? yes, the main holdup is not about the party, it's not endemic. it's individual. joe manchin. kyrsten sinema. some people in the house. but even they aren't on the same page with each other. nobody knows what's going on with sinema. so what does that mean for democrats down the line? and are they getting anywhere? top progressive congressman ro khanna joins me now. it's good to have you. >> good to be back on. >> i want to talk about, you know...