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Because we have politicized this issue and it's very dangerous. at the end of the day, men aren't being punished the same way women are when a child is born, when a woman doesn't have access to birth control. and we really need to look at that. >> jen, when we look at what's taking place in the conversation of the country right now, there was a komen story, which is completely outside of what's taking place in washington, d.c., although people have claimed that komen just became too political. and we have that issue of the catholic church. that would allow four people to have the option if the...

An uphill battle in the senate because harry reid would be reluck tantd to give it a vote on the senate floor, you're going to see over the next few weeks, pervade all throughout washington and into the country. >> it's a political hot potato for sure. >> i just want to give a programming note, everyone can check out luke today on andrea mitchell reports. we want bring back into our discussion jackie and joe. it basically demonstrates the president is stuck between this rock and a hard place. so if he chooses to compromise on this issue, is it going to hurt his relationship with the female v...

Republican candidates because they don't -- if it's something they support, a lot of republicans don't support what's going on here. they're saying it's not about contracepti contraception, it's about religious tolerance. i also think it's a long time before election day. so i don't know if this is going to affect him in a general election, because it is so far away at this point. >> so we talk about a lot of time, but the survey by the -- the majority of catholics support insurance coverage for contraceptives. if the president doesn't come to a compromise, how will this play out. >> we don't ...