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Cia machine that was spinning what this program was about to the media to make fit something that it wasn't. is that a fair charge, were you a spine-meister for the cia selling us on a program we didn't really understand? >> let me put you on the hot seat. how long has your show been on the air? >> a year and change. >> you guys doing okay? >> better than that, mudd. >> why are you spinning me? i believed in the program. i believed we were crushing al qaeda, crushing them with human source operations, with signals intercepts, with working with foreign security services, the paramilitary and mi...

900,000 workers out of poverty, but they say would cost some 500,000 jobs. your response to that long-term conclusion of the cbo report. >> well, we can't cherry pick certain provisions within that cbo report. within that report it also said 30 million americans would see their wages increase substantially, providing more disposable income for them to go out and buy a refrigerator, buy a new washer and dryer, maybe buy a new car. that's going to grow the economy, because in the end, it's about the middle class growing the economy from the middle class out. it's what we need to be doing here in...

The administration behind closed doors, the shutdown can go on as long as it wants because it's politically advantageous. >> there are no winners here. every day it's shut down, it does real harm to the american people, and you need to step back and look at where we are as a country and kmaen. the united states has been fighting its way out of a recession since the great depression. if you're a parent relying on head start or somebody looking for medical care or a government agency that needs intelligence, they need to open the government up. they could do it today. >> you mentioned republican...

Their number one priority. the idea that you would shut down the government unless you prevent 30 million people from getting health care is a bad idea. >> john brabender, it was a great sound bite. i think an effective sound bite. interestingly, you don't often hear it from members of his own party. i'm saying the democratic leaders in the house as well as in the senate have not picked up the mantel to be supportive at least from my perspective. >> no. they're scared of it politically. that's why the democrats have delayed this longer because they're scared how it could affect the 2014 electi...

We can't even get them to agree yet. some do, that people are going to see rates go up, that it's going to hurt jobs. the only thing i think the president is bringing back from the vineyard is a lower handicap than he went with. >> to the point that was made by bob shrum, you can't cherry pick those elements unless you can fund them. that was the whole purpose of the way in which this deal was structured meaning the aca. >> what's the question? the question is how can the republicans put forward a plan that cherry picks by way of example and says you're not going to be excluded for pre-existin...