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He was, of course, paying his respects to my family. but i couldn't carry on a conversation with him. >> meanwhile, walt delseen had become a little obsessed. he had many other pressing cases, but something kept pulling him back to carol luban. >> i would shuffle some work away. i got in trouble for that sometimes. >> for years, the detective after finding that dusty old file, he decided to pay a visit to mike luban. his colleagues thought he was a bit nuts. >> yeah, you think he's going to admit it to you? i go, well, i played enough sports in my time, i know you're not going to get anywhere ...

I tried to keep away. he was, of course, paying his respects to my family. but i couldn't carry on a conversation with him. >> meanwhile, walt delseen had become a little obsessed. he had many other pressing cases, but something kept pulling him back to carol luban. >> i would shuffle some work away. i got in trouble for that sometimes. >> for years, the detective chipped away until final nuclear weapon 20-- finally eight years after finding that dusty old file, he decided to pay a visit to mike luban. his colleagues thought he was a bit nuts. >> yeah, you think he's going to admit it to you? ...

Blowing off steam again but if he's half serious, this is nuts. do you agree? is it nuts? >> i do. the reason is for me from his own point of view is that if he pursues this, we will be in a trade war. we went from him proposing tariffs on $50 billion in chinese imports and the chinese in the last 48 hours match that and they're going to put on tariffs. then the white house rushed people out to say we're not going to have a trade war. we're going into negotiations. everybody calm down. then our president throws a hand grenade back into the midst of this and said i want to go to 100 billion mor...

Billion in tariffs which would be on top the 50 billion has already authorized. about that just a bit ago republican senator ben sass released statement that said hopefully the president is just blowing off steam again but if he's half serious, this is nuts. do you agree? is it nuts? >> i do. the reason is for me from his own point of view is that if he pursues this, we will be in a trade war. we went from him proposing tariffs on $50 billion in chinese imports and the chinese in the last 48 hours match that and they're going to put on tariffs. then the white house rushed people out to say we'...

Just outlined and here is the president saying i'm all in. let me have it, i've got nothing to hide. mueller should say, good, your client is ready to go, let's do it in the map room on tuesday with a court reporter and we will settle this thing. the unscripted appearance of the president talking about this had to make his lawyers a bit nuts. it is hard to walk this back in a sense. he says i want to do it. mueller says i want to do it. and then he says my lawyers tell me not to do it. why. why would you not do it? because they think that i may put myself in jeopardy if i do that. what is ther...