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He was a bit player. >> sean: probably scared. >> probably scared. >> sean: he was young. >> he was 30 years old at the time. probably went in there without a lawyer. it's never a good idea to lie to the fbi. but papadopoulos is an interesting character. i spend a subchapter in the book about him. it was never the papadopoulos bar talk that triggered the trump-russia collusion hoax. >> sean: it says on page what? >> i will give you the page. it was a rumor that he heard that he passed along. >> sean: the media lied about that. >> that wasn't the trigger because that couldn't possibly be probab...

I also think though that roger stone, frank used an apt phrase tripped into. roger stone has made a long career out of sort of exaggerating this role and his significance in some of these episodes of dark arts and dirty tricks all the way back from watergate where he was the tiniest bit player in the nixon operation but has managed to make a whole career out of this sort of personification of himself as a dirty trickster. i think this ends up being a little bit of careful what you wish for. it's true that he was sort of a bit player by the end on the trump campaign but that he also continued t...

Ken, given what you know and talk about what stone has called his 40-year friendship with donald trump and the kind of damage a guy like that can do. >> yes, i also think that roger stone, frank used the phrase, "trip into," roger stone has made a long career of sort of exaggerating this role and his significance in some of these episodes of dark arts and dirty tricks. all the way back from watergate, where he was just the tiniest bit player in the nixon operation but has managed to make a whole career out of this sort of personification of himself as a dirty trickster. and i think this ends u...

Being treated worse than al capone. >> shea bit player in the campaign with this, nothing to do with russia, but can't stop watching coverage of the manafort trial. i compare to al capone and say he has been treated unfairly. the president has been a little inconsistent when talking about manafort. we know he's completely consumed by the coverage of this trial. i can't think of another explanation other than paul manafort is waiting for a pardon because imagine the maximum pressure that's on him right now, and he has been remaining steadfast. >> so far. we'll see what happens. stick around. th...

Bit player to it. so that could be "bush v. gore" questions over interrogation and detention and these will show up in his record so it behooves the democrats to take a close look at his record. >> as a lawyer i can't help but observe you didn't answer the question. is this attack that he is a rank partisan republican the right place to start. >> it is a place to start. >> vince, i know there are many questions but is this the right place to start? >> i think it is. when donald trump says that he's going to appoint somebody that's going to get to roe v. wade and obamacare we should believe him...