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The nsa security issue, big division. big divisions here on -- look, these are very complex issues, and as joe said, it's -- it's a healthy debate because we're in a very transitional time in our nation's history. so i don't think it gets resolved. i think on the issue of national security we're going to be it rating ourselves forward on this. >> talking about media fascination, i spent time with you in iowa. you had a successful run in the caucuses. you're heading back there this week to a summit. are you laying the groundwork for 2016? >> i'm open to looking at the presidential race in 2016,...

Customers don't use a new feature, it gets turned off, no exception. >> things that work work right away. this notion that you have mvp'ed something and then if you keep it rating, you're going to have your way to success, i haven't seen it in my career and i have a running joke with my pr team that i would like to put out a press release once again saying once again, ziprecruiter gets even easier to use and we announce turning features off instead of new features that we have launched. >> that said, they're launching new features all the time and trying to stay ahead of the curve. ian says th...