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About whether or not the department would intervene in georgia, about whether or not trump would replace the top of the department, right after that meeting was over, and we see this also in emails and notes released by congressional investigators, that the number two official in the department immediately reached out to that u.s. attorney, bj pak, and said call me, it was 10:30 sunday night. pak said it was made clear to him that the president was so upset about georgia, he was not going to stop hammering on georgia, that pak had the choice to quit or be fired, that he was going to be leaving...

Georgia, at the time. he, in just two days from there, will be calling raffensperger and saying i just need those 1,100 votes. and he was totally apoplectic that his u.s. attorney wouldn't go along with the lie. so even though donoghue, at justice, knew it was a lie. they called pak up and said the president's gonna fire you. and pak thought, i'm gonna resign with dignity. nobody will know about it, then. but now that he's talking to the judiciary committee, they do know exactly why it happened, because the president was fixing to fire him. and why? because he wouldn't support the lie of elect...

So we are getting some new information tonight about just how far the former president was willing to go to overturn the election. former-u.s. attorney in atlanta, bj pak, telling senate investigators he resigned in january because trump was considering firing him. according to "the new york times," trump wanted pak out because he wouldn't push bogus claims of election fraud in georgia. joining me, now, cnn political commentator, charlie dent. he is a former-republican congressman and former-deputy assistant attorney general, harry litman. good evening, to both of you. harry, i'm going to star...

> joining me now, john harwood, john avlon, gentlemen, good evening. john, what can you tell us about the testimony of former federal prosecutor bj pak? >> this is part of a series of inte interviews the committee is doing as democrats on capitol hill are trying to gather what they can in addition to what the select committee is doing about january 6 and what they found was that this trump-appointed u.s. attorney was told by justice department officials he would be fired unless he affirmed trump's claims of voter fraud in georgia which he could

>> yeah. so -- so, thanks for that. you know, i was a u.s. attorney, and i got the sack, eventually. and really, in -- you know, he's not going to try to challenge it. but theoretically, don, you couldn't fire him because you didn't like his race and these are -- this is protected speech. you say to him, unless you -- because you won't lie about this, i'm gonna fire you. i think it's a technical-constitutional violation. but it doesn't really matter. he resigned before it could happen. and we know that he decided to just act with dignity, rather than go along in any way. nevertheless, what tru...