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Enough. inducements on the other side are so great. >> i agree with you. building a wall is not going to do it. you'll put a ladder business into pretty good high mode. >> how do we stop it? >> we know how to secure the border, charles. you guys are talking in circles here. put the personnel down there in the right places, the amount that we need, strategic fence in the metropolitan area. use aviation assets. we're not using those technologies today. you could secure the border, charles. that can be done. and the idea that, well, you can't do that, i don't believe that. i have spent more time ...

And get mexico to pay for it. your reaction? >> i know how to secure the border. i think is a wall is a what he calls this. the bottom line is we know how to secure the border and rhetoric will not do it. action is going to be what's required. you put the personnel on the border. a wow personnel there means nothing. you build a 30-foot wall and the 35-foot ladder business gets good. the rhetoric is one thing, action and clearly having a plan and having the executive experience of having done this before is i think what the american people will look for. >> he's doing well having him at 17%, je...

Family. >> jon huntsman says he is repulsed by the idea of a fence but that it is probably necessary. he also said he favors a path to citizenship. sending back people is unrealistic. border security important to ron paul. he'd like to bring troops home to patrol the border with mexico. he voted against the dream act and he's against the idea of a fence. rick perry's campaign website touts his record on border security, but he's against the idea of building a fence. >> if you build a 30 foot wall from el paso to brownsville, 35 foot ladder business gets real good. >> he's attacked the federa...