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Jared kushner chronicled this in his new book. "breaking history." this is what he pointed to when he read it in a book called shattered. less than 24 hours after hillary clinton's loss at clinton headquarters, john podesta and robby moot came up with the idea of blaming hillary's loss on russian interference. joining us, a man who had to live with that. russia hoax. >> i walked into his cottage and said this is basically where this came from.

Hillary clinton's time as secretary of state. and then separately, he's also made the case that the mueller investigation is now getting too expensive for taxpayers. so though no official comment from the white house, what is on the president's mind is pretty clear, fred. >> all right, boris sanchez, at the white house, thanks so much. all right, lots to discuss. joining me, our cnn political contributo contributors. good to see you all. >> good to see you. >> all right, so brian, you know, these indictments, we don't know if it's one or if it's multiple people. but how is the white house pote...