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Wednesday. he butina's defense lawyer complains to the judge at some length about the fact his client got arrested on sunday, she's being held in jail in washington, d.c. and the lawyer clearly fees that prosecutors moved so quickly here that he and his client were really blind sided. so back to the transcript. the judge, "mr. driscoll, do you wish to be heard with with respect to the government's motion? >> yes, urn. >> thank you. miss butina is a 29-year-old russian national with no interaction with the justice system at all. she just graduated with a masters in international relations in ma...

Oath events that she has already done in english, we would soon learn included congressional testimony that happened behind closed doors that we didn't know about before all this was unsealed. so her lawyer then is saying here that that previous experience of giving testimony under oath proves she understands and speaks enough english to get by without an interpreter in court. the judge responds by going on at length, advising her of her rights, being assured she doesn't need a transhater. okay. we'll go ahead. a detention hearing happened in her case wednesday. then her defense hair complains...

Burlesque. he made a lot of comments that were suggestive that he had things to say but also he was not aware of collusion and not involved in any collusion and denied the allegations in the dossier that he went to prag, the dossier way back when. exactly what -- so often in the mueller investigation we have been blind sided and i think the only cautious and prudent kind of approach to it is to recognize it is an iceberg where most is below the surface. >> remind us. this is -- we're talking about michael cohen being investigated by the southern district of new york. what would the impact be o...

That. but there's a difference between -- >> that's different. >> strongly sharing opinions and being harassed. however, i do want to emphasize that we're in a democracy here. these are really important issues to our country. people have the right to express themselves. when i go out to dinner, i hear about all sorts of issues from my constituents and so people have the right to express their views. >> senator chris van hollen, thanks for being on the program. um next, james mattis blind sided, overruled, and apparently out of the loop. we'll talk about white president is icing out his secre...

Himself on the outside. i want to bring if my panel. carol, you and courtney broke this story this morning and it's a fascinating read because it use words like for example blindsided, overruled to describe secretary mattis's relationship with donald trump with the commander and chief. >> and it's gotten worse in the last i'd say about six to eight months. basically what we've seen as an increasingly mattis has either caught off guard by a policy decision that the president's made or the president just makes a policy decision that's against mattis's advice. sometimes it's a combination those t...