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All of surrogates learn, if you fly too close to the sun and in donald trump's orbit, you will get burned. >> and the surrogate supporters and people who are watching and listening to him is that he will let you get on that limb and then he will saw it off. and it happens many times. >> it happened to anthony scaramucci -- >> and that is a great example of what you are talking about. is because originally after that interview, trump was telling people, oh, i loved that what he said about that. when everyone else is like this guy is a lunatic and then when the blow-back came and everyone was co...

Imagine the political blow-back to that, if that was a decision that he made. i can just hear blow-back from democrats. i can also hear what the president would have said if hillary clinton had done the same thing when she was interviewed by the fbi in 2016. that said, the legal advice that he gets from his lawyers is the most important thing. he has rudy guliani now and another new person coming in to give him that advice. >> shepard: there appears to be a concerted effort -- tell me if you disagree, just an observation -- to put a bunch of people on television and to say into the television ...

And try to stir up the controversy. talk about the story of the day and people thinking critically. i'm a radio host i talk about the subjects of the day but i try to do it with a degree of knowledge. where are you going next? you know i will do hai'm doing. punch back. i have introverto fear i knew this would be the blow back i know you had experience with this. you understand mob mentality. result is it has adverse results that's what we see with your show. we will see the same in the black communality you create a conflict and it wakes up more people to the problem we don't have enough dive...

Blow-back from state officials or those that say that this might in some way violate sanctuary policy? >> well, there was a comment made by the attorney general, which i found troubling. it's troubling to me that -- state attorney general, yes. who makes a comment that he may arrest sitting sheriffs who are complying with the law will advocating for criminals on the streets. it's troubling to us. we've been against this legislation first announced. we got some of the difficult language out. you can't put lipstick on a pig. it's bad policy. we're focused on the criminals. we want to keep the cr...

Victory. we had a very good call and i suspect that we'll probably be meeting in the not too distant future to discuss the arms race and also to discuss ukraine and syria and north korea and various other things. >> paul: president trump facing blow-back for his call this week to russian president vladimir putin. the president consisten congratd putin for his victory in last sunday's election despite the national security advisors reportedly instructing him not to do so. trump defended the call. he said he called president putin to congratulate him on his victory. in the past obama called him ...