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The vice president of mr sat was definitive this is where the plane is. >> here is the bottom line. he has flip-flopped from this morning until this evening. the language i heard this morning was most likely. the problem that i have is that was translated into the prime minister to beyond a reasonable doubt to the people and to the families of the victims. on the one hand you have the executive saying most likely and somehow that got booted up to beyond reasonable doubt. i don't agree with that. i am not convinced that they are certain where this airplane is. i think they have fine tuned it to...

It out. john nance you have flown these planes. can you say it is impossible for this to happen? you can say that? >> i think only a field would say it is impossible. we say the probability versus possibility. if there is a possibility there it is a very low level of probability. let me tell you the reason why. even if you discount the course changes, proximity to get ahold of air traffic control and training to immediately control and even if you discount all of that, in order to turn off that satellite functiont that we didn't know was on there, whoever did this didn't know was on, you have ...

We have hijacking, we have terrorism, mechanical failure. you have some sort of suicide mission by somebody. >> i will say this as simply as i can. i agree with john. i think the key to this case lies in the 12 minutes between the 1:07 time when reported everything okay and the 12 minutes later at 1:19 where the plane, last communication, all right, good night. in that 12 minutes what do we know? the pilot never reported a problem, no fire, no decompression, no smoke, nothing. and the pilot never -- whoever the pilot was, whoever was in there never asked for a route change. they never said we ...

>> yes. >> some man-made decision was involved? >> it indicates right now, the evidence indicates that a knowledgeable individual had interaction with a computer and beyond that there was no communication. there was electrical power on the airplane, we know that. we know that there was electrical power on the airplane and available for several hours meaning greater than six. so put all of that together, it reduces the likelihood of a mechanical cataclysmic event on the airplane or an on board fire or some of the other speculations that have been raised on the internet and elsewhere. it doesn't...

>> some man-made decision was involved? >> it indicates right now, the evidence indicates that a knowledgeable individual had interaction with a computer and beyond that there was no communication. there was electrical power on the airplane, we know that. we know that there was electrical power on the airplane and available for several hours meaning greater than six. so put all of that together, it reduces the likelihood of a mechanical cataclysmic event on the airplane or an on board fire or some of the other speculations that have been raised on the internet and elsewhere. it doesn't elimina...