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Dateline-20191208-07:06:00

beautiful upstairs neighbor. >> it was like prince charming and a princess. kathie was the love of his life. >> reporter: but it didn't last. the altmans attended their wedding and then a few years later, watched their prince and princess grow apart. >> she became more independent. it wasn't the fairy tale anymore. >> reporter: no. in fact, kathie's brother jim told us it was more like a horror movie. >> there's a dark side of bob that, you know, was fairly well camouflaged when they were first, you know, going out and getting married. but it escalated ultimately into psychological abuse, economic abuse and physical abuse. >> reporter: remember that doctor's letter warning that the 10-year-old bob suffered from severe hostility issues? kathie gave a copy to her friends including ellen strauss. evidence, she said. just in case. >> kathie warned all of us that if anything ever happened, look

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Dateline-20191208-07:01:00

>> reporter: now the stories you haven't heard as those who knew robert durst best speak out in an exclusive interview. >> i hope and i pray that when all this is done, we all get answers. >> reporter: and hear his own account of his strange life. the reclusive millionaire has spent much of his time on the road. so where was he? what was he doing? who was he with? >> what is a guy of his wealth doing hanging out at a homeless shelter/soup kitchen? >> reporter: for decades, suspicions, questions raised anew on the series "the jinx." will there finally be answers? >> bob didn't kill susan berman. >> reporter: the twisted tale of robert durst. and a new mystery. >> karen, where are you? >> he's definitely in the mix? >> he's in the mix. ♪ hello and welcome to

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Dateline-20191208-07:07:00

to bob. bob did it. don't let him get away with it. >> reporter: and then in 1982 kathie durst disappeared. how did he take it? >> it's bob. you know, he asked if we had seen her, if we heard anything, if we knew anything. >> reporter: but they didn't. no one did. >> bob was typically almost detached in his demeanor. you know, almost "i don't know nothing. i don't know anything." >> reporter: from the outset bob denied any involvement in kathie's disappearance and still does. at the time he was careful to distance himself from investigators. "new york times" reporter charles bagli has covered the durst real estate empire for three decades. and when kathie vanished, said bagli, bob's protective friend susan berman, a name you've probably heard of, became his

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Dateline-20191208-07:04:00

>> bob is endlessly fascinating and -- and always surprises me. >> reporter: he has certainly been elusive, mercurial, sometimes desperate and always in motion. we'll track him, his descent, his strange detour off the road, off the grid. a life that no one, not even his family or close friends, could fathom. >> he has a good heart inside, i really think so. >> reporter: we begin with two people who have known and loved the man they call bobby, godfather of their son, close friend of more than 40 years. long before the rest of the world heard of him. >> and when did you meet him? >> we went to high school together. >> reporter: stewart and emily altman spoke to us for the first time since durst was arrested. >> there's still a side of bob that's not a monster. >> yeah. >> you know, he has a heart, but it's caused me a great deal of

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Dateline-20191208-07:09:00

wastebasket or something, that's -- >> there was peeing in a wastebasket and all of that. it gave pause to the family. >> reporter: and it was no great surprise when the family patriarch, seymour durst, chose bob's younger brother douglas to run the family business. did he really think, up until the point where douglas was picked, that -- that he had a shot at it? >> he was groomed for it. that was supposed to be his -- his job. he was upset. it had a devastating effect on bob. >> reporter: and that is when the little known and reclusive bob durst went off on his own, to embark on a strange new life. what we wanted to know is how and why trouble seemed to be his traveling companion. >> there would be more mysteries and more questions for robert durst. coming up -- and a peek at his new life on the lost coast.

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Dateline-20191208-07:05:00

conflict and i can't get my head around is whatever happened to bob. it's hard. >> reporter: the altmans shared personal photos and the story of bob they've lived and breathed starting with the family disaster that tormented him. >> his mom committed suicide when he was 7 years-old and it was a devastating experience for bob. >> reporter: compounded by bob's strained relationships with his brother douglas and his father seymour. but then, in the 1970s, stewart introduced bob to a young woman and this whole twisted tale was set in motion. >> i was living on east 52nd street on the second floor and kathie was living on the third floor, and bob owned the building. he used to come and collect the rent. >> reporter: kathie was kathie mccormack, stewart's young and

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Dateline-20191208-07:17:00

>> reporter: or los angeles, where he'd look in on susan berman, who you'll remember spoke for him after kathie disappeared, and was now trying to make it as a hollywood screenwriter. >> she and bobby i always felt were very tight. >> reporter: this is susan berman's friend kim lankford. >> she was very protective of bobby. >> reporter: susan lived in a slightly rundown cottage in l.a.'s benedict canyon, and occasionally bob would stop by. but, like a gypsy, would soon be gone again, sometimes flying back to trinidad, where he'd question his shuttle driver ross vitale. >> he would kind of specifically ask questions about, "has the sheriff's department been out here? you seen anything going on?" >> reporter: and in 1997, while bob lived here, something did happen. a local teenager named karen mitchell vanished after leaving a women's shoe store that,

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Dateline-20191208-07:14:00

california, where bob durst came to -- what? get lost himself? it was 1995, after he was dumped from the company, 13 years after kathy disappeared. bob walked into the office of local real estate broker gene davenport. >> he told me he was a writer for "the wall street journal." he said he wanted to have a place with an ocean view. >> reporter: bob forked over nearly $400,000 in cash for a big family house in the town of trinidad, overlooking the pacific, where he lived like a hermit. >> nobody really seen him around. he never really had contact or didn't really have any best friends. >> reporter: in that personal account of his, he explained why. "i hated to have more than a brief conversation with someone because i immediately found myself being asked, what do you do? the true answer was nothing, i live off the family estate."

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Dateline-20191208-07:18:00

later, bob was known to frequent. by the year 2000, the case was cold. but that of course is when, across the country in new york, another case was suddenly hot again -- the investigation into the disappearance of bob's wife kathie, re-opened by westchester county d.a. jeanine pirro, who later became a tv host on fox news channel. >> i had an instinct. everything about this reeked of murder. we had evidence that she was battered by him, which he has since confirmed. it was clear to me that he killed her. >> reporter: the investigation was supposed to be top secret, but as we know, bob durst found out. >> yeah, he seemed worried, he did. >> reporter: and then one of kathie's friends -- you've met her, ellen straus -- offered the cops a tip. >> i begged the police to interview his best friend susan berman. i showed them all my research. i felt susan berman was the key,

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Dateline-20191208-07:26:00

than that, said the psychic. susan was afraid of bob, she said, because she knew too much. she knew his secrets. >> towards the end of her life she was very agitated with him. >> reporter: would he save her? susan didn't know, said barbara. and then, just before christmas, 2000, she said susan let her know that bob was on the way with money. >> he said, "i'll bring it." and that's what happened. but i can't prove it. >> reporter: l.a. cops have long suspected bob did go to susan's house in l.a. but not to bring her more money. to prevent her from talking. ever. we do know from flight records, and bob's own personal account, that he did go to california. christmas 2000, robert durst was on the move again. late december he flew here to eureka, california. he had owned a house in this area for several years but had

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