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That papadopolos pled guilty to, and it's quite obvious that mueller is playing this out very skillfully. first of all that indictment is a slam dunk, as i said before. it's proven by documents. but then you look at the papadopolos one that they put under seal all of this time. you have to believe -- i mean that coincides -- >> which is a guilty plea. be clear. >> right. he's pled guilty. pled guilty to a felony, lying to the fbi, and he's basically, if you looked through her allocution, you have to al low dut halow -- allocate. they don't name names, it's against justice department to do that...

Trying to reach out to get any advice he can in a pressure cooker situation. look at what the mueller investigation has done. it's created this absolute paranoia to anyone that's involved. with the president reaching out, and now we're talking about michael cohen wearing a body wire to record the president. >> would that ever get by the secret service? >> it depends. i'll be honest with you, it depends on what type of access level that the staff is granting to michael cohen. but i think if i'm on the mueller investigation, i'm an investigator on that team, what am i trying to get by listening ...