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>> it sounds like you're suggesting there's a double standard going on. that's certainly what the president is saying in the press conference the other day, and a lot of democrats feel there's unfairness going on here. it seems to me if you're going to send a top administration official in to testify before congress, you can't then complain when that person gets made a fall guy. that's sort of why you send them in there. >> right. at this point -- it does boil down who will the fall guy be, if you will, in this, colonel, i mean, where does it stop? in the end the ultimate responsibility here i...

So, there's actually a couple of bills out there dealing with this abortion issue right now and funding. but, mark, boil down, is this really at its most simple a question about whether the federal government should pay for abortions? >> absolutely it is, because we have had a version of the hyde amendment which bars federal funding of abortions for certainly most of the years of the last four decades and yet in obama care, there are a number of provisions that in effect allow federal funding or federal resources to be used for abortion. so in order to be consistent with the hyde amendment and...