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That they had unexploded examples of his bombs. that's how they caught him. his whole saga, remember, started way back in 1972, when that bomb blew up in his house and injured his wife, right? because he was apparently mad about the repo guy from his car. in the investigation into that initial bombing, authorities discovered that he was frequently experimenting with bomb making. 1972, that's what they discovered about that base, when they looked into his bombs that injured his wife in 1972. fast forward 17 years later to 1989, when he declares he's going to terrorize people all over the south....

Audible. the most inspiring minds. the most compelling stories. text "listen5" to 500500 to start your free trial today. we are back after this busy day. and a short time ago earlier this evening we spoke with the republican governor of the state of ohio, john kasich, about this unsettling day across america. >> governor, this was another troubling day in this country. the tone of this country is something you have talked about often. obvious question is does the president bear some responsibility? obviously not for the bomb making or the recipients, but does he bear responsibility for the t...

Close to that nightmare episode in 1989, what they did have was his work product. the thing that ended up being most important about that case and that man and what ended what he was doing to our country is that they had unexploded examples of his bombs. that's how they caught him. his whole saga, remember, started way back in 1972, when that bomb blew up in his house and injured his wife, right? because he was apparently mad about the repo guy from his car. in the investigation into that initial bombing, authorities discovered that he was frequently experimenting with bomb making. 1972, that'...

Obvious question is does the president bear some responsibility? obviously not for the bomb making or the recipients, but does he bear responsibility for the tone that allowed it? >> sure. sure, he does. it's part of the reason i never endorsed him and i've never been personally critical of him but yeah, he does bear responsibility for the divisions. he has the biggest megaphones. but i think, brian, you and i have been observers and participants in this business for a long time. when we see hillary clinton say, and i said this not long ago in the media, that when she said "when they go low we...

Had it. but they don't know of any that are out there. they have to assume there could be, but they don't know. >> pete williams, i will let you go. you have a lot of work to do. so thank you. pete, you did tee up jim kavanaugh. when i us moderate debates, i go to the next person name checked. i guess this is a bit of a mystery. we can't figure you how these bombs are supposed to go off. what does that say to you? >> it says one thing. this bomber was not the valedictorian of the bomb making which is a. they may be. just poorly made and designed desivices. i can tell by looking at it there are...