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There have been occasions macas that pattern but the statements made in this article are now under challenge by the special counsel. >> let me go to mimi first. the ronan farrow tweet, let me read them both. there were two. ronan, excellent reporter obviously, pulitzer prize winner, i can't speak to buzzfeed's source but for what it's worth i declined to run with parts of the narrative repeatedly disputing the idea that trump directly ordered that. note that general thrust of cohen's lying to congress in accordance or to support and advance trump's agenda is not in dispute.

Federal office who is trump, i and the ceo of a media company worked together to keep an individual's information, da, da, da. sometimes he's saying he's being directed by trump and sometimes he's saying he's not. >> so a couple of things. first of all, i just want to take a step back for a second. in the broad scheme of the russia investigation and what's going to come at the end of this for mueller and from the southern district of new york, what is important is the credibility of mueller, of the southern district prosecutors, of the agents who are directly working that case and the witnesse...

Impeachment? joining me is barbara lee of california. thanks for being here. >> my pleasure. glad to be with you. >> even before the buzzfeed story, there was a certain momentum in the house even when democrats weren't in control of it, that donald trump had already done enough to be impeached. in your mind, putting aside and setting aside the buzzfeed story, do you believe that donald trump has committed high crimes and misdemeanors worthy of impeachment? >> thank you, joy. in fact, joy, last year i voted twice to start the impeachment process. i think what's important now is to recognize tha...

Apparently went out and procured to try to create these polls for donald trump to make him appear to be a top businessman. there are lots of instances in which he has been directed by donald trump to do some things that clearly have become what appears to be violation of criminal laws. in this case, it doesn't mean what we are hearing in this does not mean that we know that there won't in the future be corroborated evidence of donald trump having knowledge of and in some way being part of what could be, could be -- and i'm speculating -- could be a conspiracy to suborn perjury. that is a possi...

Our own job of getting this information to the american public because it's been two years. there's some very pressing issues that we need to get to the bottom of about whether this president is guilty of crimes and whether there's a count intelligence issue with this presidents. >> this whole episode has underscored the danger of democrats relying solely on mueller to be the only one who's doing this work. the oversight responsibility belongs to them. we'll talk about that later in the show. ken delaney, thank you very much. the rest of my panel is coming back after the break. the buzzfeed ...