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Bill, just a second. the thing you have to understand. >> no. a lot of people -- that's not what i said. >> a lot of people are working. >> you are painting a picture of people sitting around eating bon bones all day. a lot of people receiving welfare have jobs. >> bill: defeating the system, the stats show that how about the rise in disabilities, kirsten, how about the dramatic rise in disabilities, is the work place that much more dangerous? is that what is happening? it's exploded. >> look, the idea that people are somehow defrauding the welfare system is not -- you cannot sustain that argu...

It's going to be a very big show. a couple of years ago this happened in brooklyn and i don't think any of the 70 or so mobsters that were arrested spent more than a handful of years in prison. jon: you say purported arrests or purported mafia members regarding this group picked up this morning. do you think they'll skate? >> who knows. we haven't seen the evidence yet but i can tell you when we had john gotti, jr., the whole world thought he was guilty and would be going away for life and now he's sitting up with his feet up, watching tv, eating bonbons. jenna: the 0eu78age you paint there wi...