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Jonathan martin is the senior politico editor who wrote this story. what a great story. a great story. nia-malika henderson, trying to keep up with verbal genius, political reporter for "the washington post." you start, jonathan, i am stunned by this. the first guy to ever notice this. i remember watching a crowd down in texas in 2000, i could tell all the pinks and limes were with w. and i said, this crowd is too rich to be reflective of half a state. no state's got that many rich people. but you've sized it up in terms of class, if you will? >> chris, this is something a lot of republicans d...

Jonathan martin is the senior politico editor who wrote this story. what a great story. a great sto. nia-malika henderson, trying to keep up with verbal genius, political reporter for "the washington post." you start, jonathan, i am stunned by this. the first guy to ever notice this. i remember watching a crowd down in texas in 2000, i could tell all the pinks and limes were with w. and i said, this crowd is too rich to be reflective of half a state. no state's got that many rich people. but you've sized it up in terms of class, if you will? >> chris, this is something a lot of republicans don...

And, chris, this is something a lot of republicans don't like talking about because they have a party, frankly, like democrats do, too, that has a very odd coalition. they've got the auto mechanics and they have the bond traders. and everything in between. so this is an awkward topic. but it's come to life here in the last few weeks. starting in south carolina and on display in south carolina. you go to romney event and you see folks that represent upper middle class and upper class america. that is who is really into romney. it's revealed in the exit polls. look at the states where romney doe...

From the bond traders, from wall street, itself? >> well, it depends on who you're talking about. those who want to bring stability to some of these bond markets are saying, look, this is just what you need. those who are making a lot of quick kills on bits of informational advantage, if you will, in the giant debt trading machine that now dominates wall street's earnings, it has more years, those people don't want the bread taken off their table. what we're talking about here is how to help create a sustainable model for our financial markets so we're not running up and down these wild parabo...

Now is the scenario that we are under is the best case scenario, historically low interest rates allow us to borrow trillions, paying practically zero. you're right, when interest rates go to four, five, six, that adds $500 billion a year in debt, and the net effect is devastating. you can't at that point, you can't tax or cut your way out of trouble. you go back to your remarkable book, came out in 1993. a lot of people in the clinton white house got in trouble because of the access that was given to you. but you go back to that fateful moment where bill clinton gets angry, and he's not going...