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Most of us make mission takes when it comes campaigns end up paying fines and penalties, but i think it's too early to say one way or the other on this one. i think we have to wait and see what ultimately comes down the pike." and, john heilemann, that is what passes for threatening comment for the president. i mean, because there are other republicans out there like orrin hatch saying, no problem. john thune is not saying, no problem, he's saying we have to wait and see. >> well, we have to keep saying again and again and again just because the spin on this campaign finance thing is going to ...

The cohen filing that revealed the president was an unindicted coconspirator. most of us make mission takes when it comes campaigns end up paying fines and penalties, but i think it's too early to say one way or the other on this one. i think we have to wait and see what ultimately comes down the pike." and, john heilemann, that is what passes for threatening comment for the president. i mean, because there are other republicans out there like orrin hatch saying, no problem. john thune is not saying, no problem, he's saying we have to wait and see. >> well, we have to keep saying again and aga...

Heard president trump essentially say that michael cohen's guilty plea is akin to the simple fine the obama campaign received a few years ago. we've heard that from the president and a number of folks, ab attempt to compare the two. is there a comparison? >> there is no comparison between the two. the obama error was a bookkeeping error. this was a deliberate use of campaigns to affect the outcome of an election, and that makes it very different from a bookkeeping error. so this one deserves a much different kind of penalty, and it will be interesting to see how the judge evaluates his lack of...

That he knew would have substantial effect. now this is not just a bookkeeping error on the part of a campaign finance. that happens and the president is right when he says on twitter that, you know, a lot of campaign finance violations are dealt with through civil means and a fine as opposed to some sort of a criminal case. in this case there's a criminal case because michael cohen pleaded guilty to this and about to be sentenced for it. that's a crime in a court of law. what the prosecutor said complicit in this crime is donald trump. that may mean he doesn't get charged, in a different case...

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