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Give me a break. they didn't have the money for that? >> right. even more so there is reporting that came out that the guards that were staffed with watching epstein had been working several back-to-back shifts, were on a series of overtimes. so perhaps weren't at the peak of their ability to actually monitor the situation. but i just want to throw out the second piece, which is i do think that institutions, whether right or wrong, and the b.o.p. has to answer to this, there is a hesitancy to keeping somebody on a suicide watch for too long a, because of the cost but, b, because it is incredib...

It's a very unpleasant place to be. a sense of hopelessness would not have been surprising at all. so we have the prior suicide attempt here. he's on suicide watch. he comes off suicide watch. and maybe that by itself is not so unusual. people typically don't stay on suicide watch for very long within the b.o.p., but all these other failures as well. the shortage of staff, which meant you just didn't have enough people to be watching him. the best way to prevent a suicide is to have this particular inmate under continuous observation. that was simply impossible for the mcc to do. >> jamie nola...

Tangled web in which he lived, all of the major power players that could be implicated. at this point there are no signs of foul play from the autopsy but no conclusion on cause of death. why not? >> reporter: i think, stephanie, look. this is going to be a death studied for the next 15, 20 plus years. the medical examiner in new york city is typically cautious. and i think they want to take a step back, a chance to look at every possible thing. say there is a cut on his hand or abrasion on his palm the medical examiner notices she may want to go to the fbi and say can you talk to the b.o.p. a...

Happened. so you should i think acknowledge that and acknowledge that, that this was a big screw-up on the part of your department. and can no one in this administration be bothered to staff the federal bureaucracy at any level with competent people who see the holes in the system, who see deficiencies in the system, who are smart enough and experienced enough to know when you don't have, say, enough correctional guards on duty at the mcc, whatever the problem happens to be. >> you say barr uses the word angry. >> um-hmm. >> that is an aggressive emotion. that would be something that you are a...

Taken off of suicide watch he was paired with somebody, so things seemed to be sort of going a pace per usual protocols for a couple of weeks. >> so earlier, and last hour i spoke with a former deputy warden not at mcc but he has had some experience he said at mcc, and he said this is a reflection of a real leadership problem perhaps at that facility. is that anything that you've learned from officials there? >> yeah, we've talked about this for several stories. bop, first of all, they have an acting head and have had one for a long time. >> bureau of prisons. >> the bureau of prisons has had ...