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Enrique maronez and an immigration activist and head of the group border angels and steve from the center for immigration study. let me play devil's advocate here. marco came on with bill and came on with me this week and talked about how the new plan does include a real aggressive approach to enforcement that was not in the 1986 amnesty that the commission will be he appointed, the border security will be certified and only then will these undocumented immigrants be able to apply for a path to citizenship. they will have provisional legal status but won't have the pathway to citizenship. what...

Enrique maronez and an immigration activist and head of the group border angels and steve from the center for immigration study. let me play devil's advocate here. marco came on with bill and came on with me this week and talked about how the new plan does include a real aggressive approach to enforcement that was not in the 1986 amnesty that the commission will be he appointed, the border security will be certified and only then will these undocumented immigrants be able to apply for a path to citizenship. they will have provisional legal status but won't have the pathway to citizenship. what...

Enrique maronez and an immigration activist and head of the group border angels and steve from the center for immigration study. let me play devil's advocate here. marco came on with bill and came on with me this week and talked about how the new plan does include a real aggressive approach to enforcement that was not in the 1986 amnesty that the commission will be he appointed, the border security will be certified and only then will these undocumented immigrants be able to apply for a path to citizenship. they will have provisional legal status but won't have the pathway to citizenship. what...

Enricki who is founder of border angels and immigration advocacy group. first a lot of issues to hit. first i want to hit this issue of the list in utah. we have this group calling it i think the concerned citizens of the united states. we were able to track down, somehow we don't know the names and addresses and actually social security numbers as well of people they believe are living here illegally. what's your problem with that? >> well, it's a big problem, like most of the country we don't tolerate that type of behavior, having a blacklist or secret type of a police type of group investig...

Enricki who is founder of border angels and immigration advocacy group. first a lot of issues to hit. first i want to hit this issue of the list in utah. we have this group calling it i think the concerned citizens of the united states. we were able to track down, somehow we don't know the names and addresses and actually social security numbers as well of people they believe are living here illegally. what's your problem with that? >> well, it's a big problem, like most of the country we don't tolerate that type of behavior, having a blacklist or secret type of a police type of group investig...