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Is president trump right about that? >> we are looking at different situations. central american countries, we have this agreement since 2006 or 2008, that our citizens can freely move between the countries so long as they carry their national i.d. and go through a border check point. now these caravan, as you might have seen from different videos, it was very, very big group, over 3,000 people. and when the gaud ma plan security forces -- let me say that quickly -- we put 2,000 police officers and close to 1,000 military. >> laura: but you couldn't hold them back, mr. said, secretary. you cou...

The preng providing mission-enhancing capabilities reportedly to the tune of 800 men and women. when we last checked, that caravan was in southern mexico, about 1,000 miles from the closest border checkpoint. this journey will take weeks at at least. jonathan, turn to you and ask you about this as a part of the president's platform. him talking about this. how much is this 2016 all over again? what's his sense of the effectiveness of this in the middle of all that's happening right now? >> you nailed it. he believes it is 2016 all over again. myself and a couple colleagues with the ap had on i...

Them wanting work in the country, even somalis in the area where the caravan was gathering. when it's 4000 people, maybe 5000 people, that's a lot of people. if everybody at one time is approaching a border check point, some of them will go through the regular point of entry, some will just walk across. they basically get processed and released into the country after they're coached, correct? >> exactly. you look at he will val va door, guatemala, honduras, these are some of the most violent countries in the region, in the world. >> that's why they say they want to leave. >> but they want our ...

Has to be about people because they are economic refugees. canada has a full blown refugee crisis as well because we have an agreement with the canadians saying if they came from your country first and came through a border checkpoint you have to take them back. we don't have it with the mexicans. >> martha: no, they flow through from guatemala and honduras and say okay, here is the entrance. the person running for president in mexico, i think his name is obrador. he says you have every right to move through mexico and go to the united states and seek a future, a life. i don't know why the goa...

Are kept between mexico and the united states. then we've talked to those who work with refugees and talked about people being in the no man's land for six or seven or eight -- a "washington post" report of nine days. we talked to a lawyer, pro bono lawyer talked to families there 12 days. they are not being let in easily at the official border points where it's legal to assert asylum. other families are saying, we can't be in the heat. i'm sitting here sweating a lot. can you imagine being out here nine or ten days waiting without a supply of food and water? and so they are going to cross the...