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So there are dozens of national emergencies in effect right now, so why would the president's potential declaration of a border emergency be different? john avlon joins us with the reality check. sir. >> guys, what we've got here is history making incomp teps. a self-inflicted shutdown officially tied for the long northwest american history that will almost certainly take the record tomorrow. president trump's boxed in and it looks like he'll use a declaration of a math national emergency as an off-ramp. is this really an emergency. >> jimmy carter first tried out these powers during the irani...

>> that's a matter of national security by definition. >> most illegal immigrants immi overstay visas. we talk about a border emergency. i will say the numbers near or at an historic low, it's mothers with babies walking to ports of entry. >> i disagree with the data you have thrown out there. i will agree that what you have just stated is the wall is a sub part of the border security crisis. it is a sub part. we have the visa overstays which is why we have to do e-verify to ensure that illegal aliens in the united states of america don't take jobs from american citizens. do not flood the lab ...

Voters would like to be like him and like to be rich and date supermodels, but many of them did vote for him for the policies and they supported him with regard to the economy and immigration. >> got it. >> and a lot of social issues. >> and judges and stuff, yeah. thank you, all. i appreciate it. >> white house press secretary sarah sanders caught in a lie again. so why should we trust the white house when they claim there is a border emergency? ♪ ♪ memories. what we deliver by delivering. the best simple salad ever?d great tasting, heart-healthy california walnuts. so simple, so good.

>> got it. >> and a lot of social issues. >> and judges and stuff, yeah. thank you, all. i appreciate it. >> white house press secretary sarah sanders caught in a lie again. so why should we trust the white house when they claim there is a border emergency? what makes this simple salad

Lighthearted celebration about that. >> not a lot of politics. >> 31 after the hour. happy monday. the federal government shutdown entering its third week with no major progress after three straight days of meetings over the weekend, the president's border wall still a barrier to a deal. so sunday the white house laid out budget requests which include $5.7 billion for what they are now calling a steel barrier. and $800 million to address urgent humanitarian needs. acting chief of staff mike mulvaney admitting that president trump took his concrete wall off the table during talks with democrati...