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Out there. >> looks like you're trying to jump back in. >> no. i just -- i agree with marie. this is -- i wish we would be talking about, you know, the wall, which i don't like. i'm a border former governor. north korea. >> we can talk about the wall. >> it's a terrible idea, by the way. >> you wanted an opportunity to say that. we can talk about the wall. $1.6 billion going into -- >> mexico was supposed to pay for it, not u.s. taxpayers. >> and i'll tell you something about illegal immigration. one, i'm a border guy. it's declined. two, most of the immigration that is coming in from central ...

Want my tax money to go there. we have enough problems here. the government has got to regulate stuff. we can't be spending this money." >> why is it in los angeles, for example, when you talk about is it 600 million is the purported figure now? you don't talk about the amount of money, the receipts that the bodega owner gets, the taco stand gets, the target store gets, the wal-mart gets. no. that money is being paid by these undocumented people in terms of sales tax, they pay social security tax. the numbers that they -- >> bill: if you are going to keep that point of view then you are an ope...

To entitlements. so the person is going "i don't want my tax money to go there. we have enough problems here. the government has got to regulate stuff. we can't be spending this money." >> why is it in los angeles, for example, when you talk about is it 600 million is the purported figure now? you don't talk about the amount of money, the receipts that the bodega owner gets, the taco stand gets, the target store gets, the wal-mart gets. no. that money is being paid by these undocumented people in terms of sales tax, they pay social security tax. the numbers that they -- >> bill: if you are goi...

What's more complicated is building a building that's 90 stories tall. >> isn't it a waste of time and money. >> by saying the border wall is a waste of time and money as mr. ramos did at the end of that sound bite, he is editorializing. not simply probing for answers. that's the key. jorge ramos has now become an advocate for people who enter the u.s.a. illegally. and that has superseded his job as a journalist. he is a man who wants amnesty for illegal aliens and not only that he doesn't really want to stop illegal border crossings. a case can be made that mr. ramos is an open-border guy, ce...

We have enough problems here. the government has got to regulate stuff. we can't be spending this money." >> why is it in los angeles, for example, when you talk about is it 600 million is the purported figure now? you don't talk about the amount of money, the receipts that the bodega owner gets, the taco stand gets, the target store gets, the wal-mart gets. no. that money is being paid by these undocumented people in terms of sales tax, they pay social security tax. the numbers that they -- >> bill: if you are going to keep that point of view then you are an open border guy. you are saying we...